This ended up being one of my favorite panels, and one in which I took the most notes. The notes kind of speak for themselves I think. What I liked that this panel ranged across a good number of topics, it did so gradually and the panelists kept the thread of the conversation going.
(Notkin, P. Nielsen Hayden, Bjold, Valente, Wrede)
On the relationship between a character and the type of story:
LMB: Every character has a quintessential story. A book is a rack upon which to display a character.
PCW: There are two kinds of series character. One is the kind who continues to change, the other is the detective model, the character who does not change but is faced with different situations.
PNH: Characters are roving points of view through which to view the world.
DN: The rack perspective is character type one, the PoV is type two.
I don't really like that second type of character as much as the first type. Of course, I don't read mysteries, which is where that character seems common, or very much older science fiction or high fantasy. This kind of character just strikes me as unrealistic, like the tv shows that reset every week so nothing that happened before matters. Also eventually I stop believing that so many interesting things would happen to a single person (let alone without really messing with their heads) even if they are a cop or reporter or whatever.
What readers want:
Q: Difference between more of characters and more of the world, which do readers want?
LMB: Usually readers want more of the characters.
I think I can go both ways. Some series that I've really liked have had the same characters all the way through but switched the emphasis. The Kushiel books start with a trilogy about Phedre, then the second trilogy is about her adopted son, and she's just a supporting character. The first and third Old Man's War books have one narrator, but that character doesn't appear at all in the second book. And the Sevenwaters books each have different narrators: Sorcha, her daughter, and then her niece. I think I like this approach because it maintains a certain continuity, but it recognizes that these characters' stories have ended, and they are allowed to live happily ever after (sort of) while someone else takes up the adventures.
I know that I definitly don't like it when a story continues when it's really finished. If the author has nothing left to say, or the characters are done growing, then I'm fine with letting it end (even if it makes me sad). It makes me even more sad when authors keep telling the same story over and over, or twisting characters until they aren't the characters I cared about any more. This happened for me with some of the characters in the Star Wars books, which of course had the extra challenge of being written by multiple authors. I think that universe is bad about allowing characters to retire when it's time for them to be done.
PCW: Depends on which expectations were established. If you're a character centered writer it's hard for readers to let the characters go.
DN: What about place as character?
LMB: SFF is defined by setting. Mainstream lit is the world's largest shared universe series.
PCW: World defines what is possible.
PCW: Fans always want more of what you left out.
LMB: Readers want to understand the world.
I think I raised my hand at this point to make the comment that this is one place where fan-fiction can really shine. I either didn't get called on or decided it wasn't worth saying, I don't remember.
Q: How do you know when to say no to the fans? When to end?
LMB: It's hard to say no to the pleading eyes.
PCW: Readers don't get that authors get sick of characters.
PNH: That explains why authors torture their characters.
That last comment made me laugh. There is something masochistic about being a writer. That said, of course the comment was a joke, but it's not quite true: the reason a writer tortures characters is primarily because that's how to make a good story. I'm sure there are good books where nothing bad ever happens to the characters, but I can't think of any right now.
Types of series:
LMB: There are different types of stories – open ended, stand alone in a shared universe, single arc, thematic.
PCW: Most frustrating is the series with the built in ending that never gets there.
LMB: Long series can comment on themselves.
PNH: Likes when the end of a series subverts the beginning.